By user request, I'm recreating this thread in an effort to allow /norfolk's members to update & improve the information. Please comment as needed and I'll do my best to revise the main text as quickly as I can. Thanks!
Welcome to /Norfolk! Our subreddit gets a lot of questions about relocating to the area, so be sure to search the subreddit to see if your specific questions have already been answered.
Here's a quick list of the top tips and most frequently repeated advice about moving to the Norfolk/Virginia Beach area:

• Live on the same side of the water as you work. Our many bridges, tunnels and bridge-tunnels frequently experience heavy traffic volume and become chokepoints even on days without incidents or accidents. Commuting from the Southside (Norfolk/Virginia Beach) to the Peninsula (Hampton, Newport News, Williamsburg) and vice versa is not recommended. Additionally, many water crossings are now or will eventually be tolled. Get an EZ-Pass to pay the lowest rate.
  
• This area floods. Look at FEMA flood maps for the area you want to move to and be aware of possibly needing flood insurance. Similarly, our area occasionally experiences hurricanes. Know your Evacuation Zone and learn more about Hurricane Preparations.
  
• Hampton Roads has a lot to offer. Obviously there is the beach. But there is also a surprisingly good and growing food & craft beer scene. A great many museums and activities. And an easy drive to the mountains and other major cities. Career wise the medical center is growing year over year, and is only expected to continue expanding into a major hub for the region. Norfolk offers a slightly more urban feel, with lots of great food joints and cultural amenities, all while being walking and bike friendly. Virginia Beach is more suburban in feel, and has a large amount of great neighborhoods at a decent price not too far from the beach. Chesapeake is even more suburban, but more affordable. Suffolk is growing, but still by all rights could be considered mostly rural. (credit to Here4thebeer3232)
  
• Check crime reports. Crime can happen anywhere but some areas see more reported incidents than others. Great areas can be adjacent to bad neighborhoods, sometimes separated only by a road or a few blocks. When buying or renting a residence, try to visit the area at different times of day and strike up conversations with locals to get a feel for the location. Use Norfolk's Crime Mapping tool to view crime reports and statistics.
  
• Norfolk Neighborhoods of Note
  

  Chelsea/West Ghent: Small former industrial area that is now home to 2 top tier Breweries and is a central part of the Elizabeth River Bike Trail. Has a growing culinary scene. Limited residential options. Colonial Place: Upscale residential neighborhood with waterside access. Flooding is a concern in this area, but neighborhoods are family friendly and homes are gorgeous. Downtown: the urban center of our region. Growing residential population to match established barestaurant, entertainment and financial scenes. East Beach: Newly constructed high end beach condos right on the Chesapeake Bay. Has abundant docking for boats, fishing holes, and beach access. A more quiet and older community. Fort Norfolk: Growing area adjacent to EVMS and Sentara Medical Center. The unofficial midtown of Norfolk, that is slowly becoming a part of the city skyline. Floods often. Freemason: straight-laced & upscale enclave adjacent to downtown and built around cobblestone streets. Ghent: trendy, historic and filled to the brim with character, culture and delicious cuisine. The neighborhood’s main thoroughfare, Colley Avenue, and adjacent 21st and 22nd streets are lined with eclectic eateries, unique shops, art galleries and antique stores. Larchmont: High end homes in a family friendly neighborhood. Adjacent to ODU, but without the noise, Larchmont is home to incredible homes in a very green and quiet part of the city. Also has waterside access. Oceanview: Affordable community right on the beach. Still considered more working class, it is slowly looking to compete with the Virginia Beach Oceanfront as a tourist attraction. Home to the Bold Mariner Brewery and Jessy's Taqueria NEON District: Growing Arts district, adjacent to downtown. Home to a variety of arts shops and artisan restaurants, as well as the Chrysler Museum of Art and the Harrison Opera house. Park Place: Park Place is a historic neighborhood centrally located to the north of Downtown Norfolk. Park Place offers multimodal access to health and fitness facilities, dining, coffee shops, retail, visual art, live music, and community for people from all walks of life. This historic residential neighborhood is a diverse and inclusive community, and is comprised of a mix of single detached houses, condos, luxury, market rate, and affordable rentals homes and apartments. Located between 23rd street and 38th street, and between Granby street on the east, and Colley ave on the west, the Park Place area neighborhood includes two business districts, the 35th Street Business District and the Railroad District, and is walkable to the North Colley, Ghent, and Riverview business districts. Railroad District: Rapidly growing former warehouse district located between Ghent and Park place. Home to the majority of Breweries in the city. While could be considered gentrified, is still home to novel cultural centers such as 757 Makerspace and Nomads Clothing Exchange. Riverview: Immediately adjacent to the Norfolk Zoo and Lafayette park. With waterside access and a small commercial corridor, Riverview is a good area for all ages. Also home to MJs Tavern, the largest LGBT bar in the metropolitan area. St Paul's District: Under construction West Ocean View: Turns into a parking lot for HRBT traffic every time the base lets out. Willoughby Spit: Quiet residential sandbar. Remains somewhat isolated from HRBT traffic, but offers a commanding presence along the Chesapeake Bay.
  

• /VirginiaBeach Neighborhoods of Note
  

  Chesapeake/Chic's Beach: "locals only" beachside community. Oceanfront: touristy stretch of beach + boardwalk, hotels, and trinket shops. Town Center: VB's Central Business District including Pembroke Mall and other high-end shopping, dining, and entertainment.
  

• Odds & ends
  

  • Norfolk's hardiness zone is 8a, for any gardeners out there. A bit further west, and you're in 7b.
  • The large military presence means a lot of traffic around 4pm. High school gets out around 2, middle school around 3.
  • There are slow cargo trains going to and from the port. When scoping out neighborhoods, check for tracks nearby, and if there are any bridges or underpasses to help bypass a stopped cargo train. Example: Taussig and Granby, near the post office? If you hear a train, pray that it's a short one, because I haven't found a shortcut there yet.
  • This WeatherSpark page has some useful data on the local climate for anyone particularly interested in our weather patterns. TL;DR, it doesn't really freeze here, but we still get snow every few years. (credit to sin-so-fit)
  • Check out the jet noise map... i've lived here for 30 years and have heard jet noise but we bought before checking and happen to fall right under one of those dark green circles near lynnhaven mall.... they fly 50 fucking ft overhead all day long. walking the dog just a block away and it's a completely different world. https://www.vbgov.com/government/departments/planning/areaplans/Documents/Oceana/JLUSAICUZPlanningMap.pdf (credit to NotEntirelyUnlike)

Please also view the 2021 EDITION for additional context & information, especially in the comments.

I’m filled with many emotions today as I write this out.
I’m in my 20s, lost my mom to a heart attack last summer. I still remember the phone calls from neighbors and first responders. The walls in my apartment seemed to shoot out in all directions, making me feeling like my 700 sq ft apartment covered an entire football field. I had only been moved away for a year, started my career and life with my future wife.
It had been discussed all through my life that part of my inheritance was to travel. She’d worked in some national parks in her 20s and was always a nature buff.
After a lot of replanning because of weather, I had found two hikes in Pinnacles National Park that were so beautiful. For the first time in a long time, I felt my mom. We were coming up on a pretty good elevation gain, I was dead tired and was anticipating a great view just 50 ft around a turn on the ridge. I stop. I see a mom and her two daughters. She points, mouthing “condors”. These big birds are beautiful to witness flying among the cliffs here. Almost 50 years ago, only 20 some existed in this area. I turned 180°, waving my fiancé to get her attention. Two were cruising along the ridge of a plateau about 200 ft above us. Just then, a condor comes out of nowhere, maybe only 30 ft above me. It was awesome to watch an animal be so close.
I’m not a big believer or non believer in signs after someone’s gone. I haven’t felt any signs since she’s been gone, but today it felt different. I also do get a chuckle out of this if it is a sign because the last song I listened to with my mom was Free bird by Lynyrd Skynyrd.
If that was my mom, I know for sure she is as happy as she always wanted to be. Good seeing you today mom. Hope to see you on the next trail.

Race Information

• Name: Edinburgh Marathon
• Date: 28/05/2023
• Distance: 26.2 miles
• Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
• Website: https://www.edinburghmarathon.com
• Strava: https://www.strava.com/activities/9156321200
• Time: 2:54:41

Goals

Goal	Description	Completed?
A	Sub 3:10	Yes
B	Sub 3	Yes
B	London qualification 2024	hopefully

Splits

Kilometer	Time
1	4:11
2	4:07
3	3:56
4	4:10
5	3:54
6	4:00
7	4:01
8	4:03
9	4:11
10	4:06
11	4:08
12	4:05
13	4:03
14	4:09
15	4:04
16	4:07
17	4:08
18	4:06
19	4:09
20	4:02
21	4:04
22	4:03
23	4:07
24	4:13
25	4:04
26	4:07
27	4:07
28	4:02
29	4:07
30	4:08
31	4:08
32	4:07
33	4:05
34	4:07
35	4:10
36	4:13
37	4:13
38	4:13
39	4:16
40	4:17
41	4:21
42	4:18
43	3.45

Training

First marathon. Began running in lockdown, seen vast improvements in all my distances, managing to get 5k under 19 mins, 10k under 40 mins, and half marathon under 1:40. I joined a running club in Oct 2022 and seen further improvements in all distances, so I set myself a target of completing a half marathon in under 1:30 and a marathon in under 3.30.
My training consisted on speed work on a Monday (track) and Wednesday (usually in a park or quiet area with no traffic).These sessions are provided by the coaches at my running club. Some examples of the sessions are;
Monday: 5k paced session - 20 x 200m at 5Km Pace/100m Same Time Recovery e.g if 5Km pace is 40s for 200m then 100m recovery is covered in 40s
Wednesday: 10k paced session - 6 x 5 Mins @ 10Km Pace with 2.5 Mins Jog Recovery
Monday: 7 x 800m @ 5Km Pace with 100m in 90s Jog Recovery
Wednesday: 5min, 4min, 3min, 2min, 2min, 3min, 4min, 5min @ 10k pace with half jog rec.
Monday: 10 x 3 Mins/90s Jog Recovery (10k pace)
Wednesday: 8 x 4 Mins @ Half Marathon Pace with 3 Mins Reovery at Easy Run Pace (Not a jog)
Outwith these sessions, I tried to do at least 40km over another 4 runs at an easy pace, keeping heart late below 150bpm. Total monthly kilometres always over 200km. Since the new year I have been trying to hit at least 60km per week.
I booked this marathon last summer and had no idea of a plan or targets. I completed a half marathon in 1.19.59 the end of April this year, and this gave me belief that I would be able to post a good time in this race. I would have been disappointed if I did not manage to complete it in 3.10.
The longest run I completed during my training was an easy run of 33km, about 4 weeks before the race. I was confident I would be able to finish but had no idea how my body would do after that distance at a quicker pace.

Pre-race

I done my last long run (~22km) exactly one week before the race. Easy 10km runs Monday & Tuesday, Wednesday I done 3 x 10km at target marathon pace (4.14/km) with 2 mins rest in between. Another easy run on Thursday and then complete rest Friday & Saturday. On the Wednesday I started upping my carb intake significantly, eating a lot more bread, rice, pancakes, crumpets, scones, tortilla wraps, potatoes and chips. I was feeling rather bloated for these few days so cut back a bit on the Saturday in order to be good for Sunday.
Race day: Got up at 5.30am - big bowl of porridge with a scoop of protein powder, 2 slice of toast & strong coffee. Had a cereal bar and a banana at 8am (2 hours before start). Sipped water through the morning - not too much as was wary of toilet breaks during the race.

Race

Weather on the morning was ideal - good temperature, no wind or rain. Had the potential to heat up later on in the afternoon but overall great running conditions.
Race began at 10am. This was an extremely busy race and had some very narrow points over the first 10km where it was impossible to get by anyone.
The first quarter of the race through the city is all downhill. Great scenery all along closed roads, very enjoyable and a good way to start the race and get warmed up. The streets were packed with spectators and an overall good atmosphere.
KMs 10-30 are where you really need to focus on hitting target pace. The crowds thinned out a bit although there was still locals outside their houses cheering, handing out sweets, playing music, and even a though bands/ dance groups along the way. I always race without earphones in order to take all of this in and it is truly a worthwhile experience. Plenty of water stations along this stretch and the weather was still good. Ran with a few groups during this stretch and chatted away, was lucky enough to move in front of most of them onto the next group.
There is a short gravel section around 28kms around Gosford House. Afterwards I heard a lot of people moaning about this - it certainly is a bit different from running on the road. I suppose it depends on what you are used to, I do a fair bit of trail running as well so felt comfortable. Only thing I would say is the terrain is not suited for the Nike Alphafly.
The last section of the race was by far the most difficult. Temperature had heated up to around ~14 degrees (not roasting, but for us Scots who train all through winter it is on the warmer side). Along with a few gradual inclines on the way back made for some tough kilometres. The number of people I passed on the last stretch who were cramping, being sick or simply walking grew the further I got to the finish line. There also seemed to be less water stations on this section, which is not ideal when you are in the final stages of a marathon.
The final couple of hundred metres was a flat, straight run along mats to the finish line. By far the best part - all the hard work is complete, thousands of spectators and knowing your family and friends are at the finish line waiting to congratulate you. Even better knowing when you know you have smashed every target set!

Nutrition & Strategy

When I signed up for the race I put in a target time of 3.45 - meaning I started in a pen with runners a lot slower than me. This was not ideal as it was very busy and I was stuck behind big groups of runners a lot for the first 20-30mins. I definitely could have went quicker at the beginning, maybe a blessing in disguise as I was still under target pace and perhaps allowed me to not come out the traps too quickly. I took 2 salt tablets every water station, which was every 30 mins or so. Took 1 gel at 10km, 20km then 32km. Fortunately was able to get through the whole race without stopping for the toilet. I was really comfortable up until the last 10km, I had never ran more than this so had no idea how my body would react. I had plenty of time in the bank so I dialled it back a bit to make sure I could finish without cramping or pulling a muscle. My plan before the race was to keep every kilometre below 4.15 and hold on for as long as possible.

Post-race

I am going to take a few days off to let my body recover. I have a few 10k runs booked throughout the summer and hope to achieve some PBs. The time I posted should also qualify me for London next year.
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I'm thinking of doing the West Highland Way in the first week of October. I'm still in early stages of planning, but I'd like to stay at B&B's along the way, but I'd also go for bunkhouses or hostels if necessary. I'd consider camping if it wasn't for the fact I've not used my tent and sleeping bag for 10 years and not sure what condition they're in!
I like the idea of not booking everything in advance, and having the flexibility of deciding only one or two days in advance of how far to walk and where to stay, have I got any chance of this in October?
I did buy a guidebook about 10 years ago, one of the things it recommends is to take plenty of cash as there's so few cashpoints along the way. A lot has changed over the last 10 years, especially the last 2-3 with everything going contactless... what's the situation now? Would I get away with paying by card everywhere along the way?
My book recommends starting the walk in Glasgow, from Kelvingrove Park, following the River Kelvin through Maryhill then along Allander Water to Milngavie. Anyone done this? Is it worth it or should I just go straight to Milngavie?
Finally, any other comments on doing it in October? Busy or quiet? Midge season? Still decent weather or getting cold and wet?

2023 T20 Blast & Charlotte Edwards Cup
ECB Match Centre - T20 Blast - Charlotte Edwards Cup - Central Repository of Scorecards and clips of every boundary and wicket.
Full coverage of every ball of County Cricket and selected Women's Regional Matches on BBC Local Radio - T20 Blast - Charlotte Edwards Cup
T20 Matches in the Blast and Charlotte Edwards Cup start at different times which are listed against them below.
Where available, YouTube live streams are linked against each match below. These can also be found on the county and ECB websites. There's no county youtube stream of Kent/Essex as it's on Sky but it is also on Sky's YouTube channel (Geo-locked to UK/Ireland).
BBC Local Radio coverage and County YouTube streams should be accessible worldwide.
Today is the final group games of the Charlotte Edwards Cup. The Blaze have already qualified directly for the final. Vipers and Diamonds are in pole position for the semi final places but Thunder could surplant Diamonds if they beat them by a significant enough margin for a bonus point. Storm have a mathematical chance of surplanting the Vipers if the Vipers loose heavily to Sunrisers and Storm beat The Blaze heavily.
Double Headers
AT STANLEY PARK - Weather Forecast
11:30 - Thunder vs Northern Diamonds - YouTube - Scorecard
17:00 - Lancashire vs Worcestershire - YouTube - Scorecard
AT THE ST LAWRENCE GROUND - Weather Forecast
14:00 - South East Stars vs Central Sparks - YouTube - Scorecard
18:30 - Kent vs Essex - On Sky Sports and Sky YouTube (Geo-locked to UK/Ire) - Scorecard
AT SOPHIA GARDENS - Weather Forecast
14:30 - Western Storm vs The Blaze - YouTube- Scorecard
18:30 - Glamorgan vs Surrey - YouTube - Scorecard
Other T20 Blast Matches
18:30 - Warwickshire vs Derbyshire at Edgbaston - YouTube - Weather Forecast - Scorecard
19:00 - Hampshire vs Somerset at The Rose Bowl - YouTube - Weather Forecast - Scorecard
Other Charlotte Edwards Cup Matches
19:00 - Southern Vipers vs Sunrisers at Hove - YouTube - Weather Forecast - Scorecard
T20 Blast Standings before today:
North Group

Pos	Team	Played	Won	Lost	Tied	N/R	Net RR	Points
1	Worcestershire	5	4	1	0	0	+1.027	8
2	Warwickshire	6	4	2	0	0	+0.867	8
3	Durham	6	4	2	0	0	+0.787	8
4	Yorkshire	7	4	3	0	0	+0.046	8
5	Nottinghamshire	7	4	3	0	0	-0.139	8
6	Lancashire	7	3	4	0	0	+0.125	6
7	Northamptonshire	7	3	4	0	0	-0.536	6
8	Derbyshire	6	2	4	0	0	-0.509	4
9	Leicestershire	7	1	6	0	0	-1.198	2

South Group

Pos	Team	Played	Won	Lost	Tied	N/R	Net RR	Points
1	Somerset	6	6	0	0	0	+2.059	12
2	Surrey	6	4	2	0	0	+0.953	8
3	Hampshire	6	4	2	0	0	+0.807	8
4	Glamorgan	5	4	1	0	0	+0.524	8
5	Gloucestershire	6	3	3	0	0	-0.387	6
6	Essex	5	3	2	0	0	-0.536	6
7	Kent	5	1	4	0	0	-0.255	2
8	Sussex	6	1	5	0	0	-1.323	2
9	Middlesex	7	0	7	0	0	-1.539	0

Points: Teams receive 2 points for a win. 1 point for a Tie or No Result. Each team plays 7 of the 8 other teams in their group and 7 away. Top 4 in each group qualify for the Quarter Finals. Quarter Final winners qualify for Finals Day.
Charlotte Edwards Cup Standings before today:

Pos	Team	Played	Won	Lost	Tied	N/R	Net RR	Points
1	The Blaze	6	6	0	0	0	+1.956	28
2	Southern Vipers	6	4	2	0	0	+0.769	17
3	Northern Diamonds	6	4	2	0	0	+0.162	17
4	Thunder	6	3	3	0	0	+0.064	13
5	Western Storm	6	3	3	0	0	-0.488	12
6	South East Stars	6	2	4	0	0	-0.162	8
7	Central Sparks	6	2	4	0	0	-0.600	8
8	Sunrisers	6	0	6	0	0	-1.653	0

Points: Teams receive 4 points for a win. A bonus point for a win with a run rate of 1.25x that of the opposition. 2 points for a Tie or No Result. Teams play each other team once, home or away. The top three teams advance to Finals Day. The top team advances straight to the Final, whilst the other two teams play off in a semi-final.
If you've got a team in The Cricket Draft T20 Blast fantasy game, you can join the cricket league here

Hello all! I posted recently trying to get some help deciding where my bf and I should move next (22 and 21) We got lots of suggestions that I looked into and I think I’ve maybe sorta narrowed it down to the Midwest. I never ever thought I’d want to move to the Midwest (sorry to the midwesterners!! lol) but I’ve seen so much now about Madison, Milwaukee, I think Minneapolis is one I’ve seen a lot, and Cleveland/Columbus. Im asking again for some suggestions on any of those cities! Any spots significantly better than others? Or any other suggestions I may have missed that hit our marks? :) so far those options seem like the closest to what we are looking for.
Background info on what we want: -liberal/left leaning/LGBT+ and poc friendly very very important to us -not an insane COL (less than $1500/month rent) -at least some sort of alt or punk scene or at the very least not get looked at weird for dressing in possibly unconventional ways -this wasn’t on my original list I think but we love hiking and outdoors so we’d like some parks or nearby camping/hiking if possible -I prefer warm weather but I’m used to nys winters so it’s whatever. I’d love to have seasons though
-going to be getting into trade jobs, and my bf decided he wants to go with welding but that’s not our whole future plan right now or anything. Friends in VA want us to move down there since he could get into welding very easily, but Virginia Beach/Norfolk area (where they are/where we’d go) doesn’t really seem like it’d fit our bill. Our only other VA option was Richmond simply bc of location but again didn’t see much about it hitting our marks. Any votes for that area? Career-wise it would make sense and would make our friends happy but I just don’t think it’s what we’re looking for. Let me know if I’m wrong! Or if any of these midwestern cities are specifically good for welding?
—we’re from ny and have already lived in Buffalo and Rochester. We’d love to try something new and hey if we’re wrong we’ll come back- similar vibes to those cities would be fine but we decided we definitely want something new. NYC isn’t an option bc of COL)—
Thank you!!

Los Angeles FC vs. Atlanta United FC
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MLS Season 2023 - Match #13
Wednesday, June 7th 2023
Approximately 7:39 p.m. PT
Location: BMO Stadium, 3939 S Figueroa St, Los Angeles, CA 90037
TV: MLS Season Pass on Apple TV
Radio: 710 AM ESPN, ESPN LA App, 980 AM La Mera Mera
Outdoor Weather: ☀️ 66 Degrees, 65% Humidity, 5 mph NE Wind, 0% Precipitation
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Previews
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Questionable
Kellyn Acosta (Lower Extremity) (LAFC)
Timothy Tillman (Lower Extremity) (LAFC)
Ozzie Alonso (ACL Recovery) (ATL)
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AR1: Logan Brown
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Sorry for taking so long to get this posted! I’ve been putting in more than 60 hours a week at work lately, and I just didn’t have time to properly research this post.
This week, the topic under discussion is Joseph’s wives and the way that he personally practiced plural marriage. It’s true that some of the circumstances a little unusual compared to how later members practiced it, and it’s also true that sealing practices in general were unusual compared to how we practice them today. The world was also very different in the 1840s than it is today in the 2020s.
All of that means that it can be very difficult for us to understand what was going on and why. I’m going to do my best to break this all down so that it makes sense, but just remember, it’s okay if it makes you uncomfortable. It’s okay if you don’t like the idea of plural marriage. It’s okay if you don’t ever want to practice it. I don’t, either.
But I do have a firm testimony that it was commanded by God. That testimony didn’t just magically appear one day. I had to earn it. I had to get on my knees and pray, and I had to ask Heavenly Father whether He instituted it or not. I had to study the issue and the circumstances surrounding it. More importantly, I had to ask Him to help me understand the reasons why He instituted it.
That’s the only way to really know for yourself.
So, having said that, let’s get into Faulk’s claims.

• The Women

Due to the secretive nature of Joseph’s affairs, the actual total number of wives Joseph took is unclear. Written records, primary accounts and second hand accounts puts the number between 29-65 women.

They were not affairs, they were sealings. Sixty-five is also a pretty exaggerated number. Most reputable sources put it at around 30-35. And again, remember that sealings are different than marriages, even though we often perform them together today. Many of those sealings were for eternity only, not for both time and eternity the way that sealings are done today. In fact, some of those wives, such as Cordelia Morley and Rachel Ivins Grant, did not have any kind of union with him at all while he was alive, and were sealed to Joseph for the very first time after he was already dead.
One thing to remember is that the sealing power is to seal us all together as one giant family. It’ll be one unbroken chain connecting all of us together. Many of these sealings of Joseph’s were done for that specific reason, to bind families together in the next life. That’s why there were things like adoption sealings, where people would be “adopted” into each other’s families through the sealing process. Siblings were sometimes sealed together. Women who were married to men who were not members of the Church would sometimes to be sealed to righteous Priesthood holders for the next life.
Also, it drives me batty that Faulk keeps repeating that Joseph took wives. None of them were married to him against their will. They all had a choice in the matter.

Most disturbing was the fact that many of these women were already married, much younger and related to each other.

Why is that “most disturbing”? The women were all of legal marriageable age, and there is no evidence of any sexual relations between Joseph and any of the civilly married women, or with any of the youngest wives.
One of the reasons it’s believed that Joseph was sealed to so many women who were already married is because he was trying to satisfy God’s commandment while not hurting Emma. If he was sealing himself to married women, he wouldn’t have to actually marry them and live together as husband and wife. As the Gospel Topics Essay Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo says:

These sealings may also be explained by Joseph’s reluctance to enter plural marriage because of the sorrow it would bring to his wife Emma. He may have believed that sealings to married women would comply with the Lord’s command without requiring him to have normal marriage relationships. This could explain why, according to Lorenzo Snow, the angel reprimanded Joseph for having “demurred” on plural marriage even after he had entered into the practice. After this rebuke, according to this interpretation, Joseph returned primarily to sealings with single women.

Joseph’s youngest wife, Helen Mar Kimball Whitney, was sealed to Joseph when she was fourteen. We’ll discuss her in some detail a little later in this post. But that union was done for dynastic/adoptive reasons at her father’s request, to join Heber C. Kimball’s family to Joseph’s in the eternities.
And, believe it or not, some of the women who practiced plural marriage probably found it easier to do so when the other wife was biologically related to them. After all, they already loved them and knew how to live together with them in harmony.
At this point in the LFMW, Faulk posts a small chart taken from Todd Compton’s In Sacred Loneliness. You can find that chart here.

1. Married: Between 8-11 women were married to other men at the time Joseph took them for his wives.

And every single one of them remained married to their husbands after they were sealed to Joseph. That’s because, again, sealings and marriages are not the same thing, and sealings for the next life had no bearing on their marriages in this one. Joseph did not live with these women as husband and wife.

He sent several men on missions for the Church then married their wives, or married their wives in secret and then sent the husbands on missions afterwards.

Many of the husbands in question knew about the sealings and even participated in them. Joseph also did not send the husbands on missions so he could marry their wives in secret.

• Marinda Nancy Johnson-Hyde-Smith

In September 1831, Joseph and Emma Smith moved in with the Johnson family while Joseph and Sidney Rigdon worked on translating the Bible. While staying with the Johnsons in March, 1832, Joseph Smith was dragged out by a mob and tarred and feathered. Marinda’s brother Eli led the mob because he felt that Joseph had been too intimate with Marinda.

Um. No. Eli Johnson was Marinda’s uncle, not her brother, and he wasn’t the leader of the mob. The mob also didn’t attack him for that reason. Marinda herself said that Joseph had never acted inappropriately while he was staying in her father’s home. This accusation was first introduced during the infamous 1884 Braden-Kelley debate, and repeated by Fawn Brodie, Grant Palmer, and a host of others.
The mob was led by Symonds Ryder and Ezra Booth, because they thought he’d try to steal their property under the Law of Consecration. They’d both already apostatized for various reasons, then led a smear campaign against Joseph and the Church through local newspapers for a while before leading the attack. The only evidence that Eli Johnson was even involved are brief reports that he was the one who provided and heated the tar. According to at least one account, he wasn’t even an active participant, but just left it out for them to use. The mob tried to castrate then murder Joseph and nearly did kill Sidney Rigdon, and were unsuccessful in all attempts.
However, as we all know, Joseph’s infant son tragically died from the effects of the frigid weather that night. Pretty tough bunch of guys, right? Gathering up a violent mob to go murder a baby.

Soon Marinda married apostle Orson Hyde. On April 6, 1840, Orson was sent on a 3 year mission to Jerusalem. Shortly after his departure, Joseph married his wife Nancy Marinda Johnson-Hyde while Orson was gone. In Joseph Smith’s journal, in a list of his marriages he wrote “Apr 42 Marinda Johnson to Joseph Smith.” In 1858 Orson and Marinda separated.

The separation of Orson and Marinda Hyde had nothing to do with her sealing to Joseph, which had happened 15 years earlier. The rest of this is also pretty heavily distorted. Orson Hyde was sent on his mission on April 15, 1840, and returned on December 7, 1842. There are two sealing dates for Joseph and Marinda, making it unclear when it actually happened. It was written down in Joseph’s journal by his scribe Thomas Bullock as taking place in May of 1842. This entry was apparently not recorded until after July 14, 1843, however, and the affidavit Marinda signed stated that the sealing took place in May 1843, after Orson was home.
Regardless of which date is accurate, Orson was not sent on a mission so Joseph could steal his wife if the sealing happened 2-3 years after he left. They were not sealed “shortly after his departure” at all. In fact, even the earliest sealing date is closer to the date he returned than the date he left.

• Zina Diantha Huntington-Jacobs-Smith-Young

Zina was 18 when her mother died and after went to live in the Smith’s home. Soon she met Joseph’s friend, Henry Jacobs. Joseph was to officiate their wedding, but never showed. Instead, bishop John C. Bennett performed the marriage. Later, Zina asked Joseph why he didn’t show, “He told her it had been made known to him that she was to be his Celestial Wife and he could not give to another one who had been given to him.” (Henry Jacobs, History of Henry Bailey Jacobs)
During Henry and Zina’s marriage, Joseph sent Henry on 8 missions. At one point Joseph sent a message to Zina through her brother Dimick. It read, “Tell Zina I have put it off and put it off until an angel with a drawn sword has stood before me and told me if I did not establish that principle and live it, I would lose my position and my life and the Church could progress no further.” After four proposals and pressured with the responsibility for the life of the prophet, Zina finally accepted. (Brian C. Hales, Mormon Historical Studies 11, no. 2 (Fall 2010): 69–70.)

That last line there is a pretty big exaggeration of what the article actually says. In fact, the article doesn’t talk about Zina Huntington at all. The only place she’s mentioned at all is her inclusion in a chart of the different accounts of the angel with the drawn sword. I’ve included a screenshot of the only three mentions of her from Faulk’s cited source. In fact, it’s actually a paraphrased line from Todd Compton’s In Sacred Loneliness.
Zina, however, clarified that she came to accept the principle through searching the scriptures and praying, and that she received an answer from God that it was from Him. It wasn’t because she felt pressured into it at all.
Unfortunately, it’s hard to pin down exact details when it comes to Zina’s timeline, as there are a lot of discrepancies. When I wrote my response to the CES Letter, I cited liberally from a book titled 4 Zinas: A Story of Mothers and Daughters on the Mormon Frontier. This book used to be housed on the Internet Archive, but has since been taken down. Forgive me that I can’t show exact pages anymore on those citations. Many years after all these events took place, Zina gave testimony saying that she first learned of the principle of plural marriage from Dimick, who had heard it from Joseph. Other sources, seemingly reliant on her diary, say that she learned it from Joseph while she was staying at his home. Some sources say that Joseph proposed to her three times while she was living at his home and that she refused him each time out of respect for Emma. Other sources say she declined to give him an answer and kept putting him off, also out of respect for Emma. Some sources say that Joseph wrote Zina a letter saying he’d been threatened by an angel with a drawn sword, while others say that it was a verbal message passed to her by Dimick, who had been sent to offer her another proposal (even though she was already married to Henry Jacobs at that point). Some sources say that Henry was present for that initial sealing to Joseph, but absent from the other resealing to Joseph for eternity and sealing to Brigham for time. Others say Henry was there for the sealing to Brigham, but are silent on whether he was there for the first sealing to Joseph. Zina said in her later testimony that it was just Joseph, her, and Dimick present at their initial sealing, but that Brigham later resealed them after he returned from a mission to England, meaning that she would have been sealed to Joseph three times in total. However, in signed affidavits collected by the Church, Zina, Dimick, and Dimick’s wife Fanny all verified that Fanny was there at the sealing, too. Etc.
Because of all of this, it’s difficult to know exactly what happened, who was aware of what, and when and how they all became aware of it. However, Zina did say that the Lord had prepared her for the doctrine prior to her hearing it:

I will tell you the facts. I had dreams — I am no dreamer but I had dreams that I could not account for. I know this is the work of the Lord; it was revealed to me, even when young. Things were presented to my mind that I could not account for. When Joseph Smith revealed this order I knew what it meant; the Lord was preparing my mind to receive it.

Additionally, Henry was called on his first mission in May of 1839, before he ever even met Zina. The guy was a prolific missionary who served repeatedly throughout his life. None of those missions overlapped with Joseph’s sealing to Zina.
In fact, according to family tradition, he was present when Joseph told Zina that the reason he hadn’t officiated their wedding is because she was meant to be his plural wife. Henry accepted the news because he was close to Joseph and trusted him. Zina was the one who hadn’t received an answer yet and still had reservations.

After Joseph’s death, Brigham Young also took Zina for his wife while she was still married to Henry Jacobs. Brigham called Henry to serve a mission in England and told him to find another wife. While Henry was in England, Zina began living at the Young house with her children and soon bore a child with Brigham.

Let’s walk through all of this. First, many of Joseph’s sealed wives who were already civilly married to someone else just stayed married to their husbands after his death. They had the choice on whether to re-seal themselves to Joseph or not, and the single wives had the choice of which members of the Twelve they wanted to be sealed to for time. Zina wasn’t forced to leave her marriage to seal herself to Brigham. She chose to do that.
Brigham supposedly told Henry to find another wife, though that can’t be corroborated. He also supposedly had to tell Henry to stop writing love letters to Zina after they were married.
Brigham eventually had several dozen wives and 57 children, in addition to being the leader of the Church and the governor of Utah Territory, owning multiple businesses, and directing the settlement efforts across a very large area. Dude was a busy guy, just saying. Zina did not live with him and did not spent tons of alone time with him. She lived for a time in a separate home with her children, and for a time in a house with several of his other wives. The time she spent alone together with him was sporadic and infrequent.
How would Brigham know that Zina was getting love letters from Henry Jacobs unless she told him? And if she enjoyed receiving those letters, why would she tell him? Why not hide them from him? It would’ve been pretty easy to do so—all she had to do was keep her mouth shut. It’s not like Brigham was snooping through all of his wives’ things in his limited free time. The only reason for her to bring the letters to his attention was if she didn’t like receiving them.
Imagine it from her point of view. You get divorced and move on. You describe that marriage as an unhappy one at several points throughout the rest of your life. You marry someone else and even have a child with them, but your ex keeps contacting you, telling you how much they still love you and still want to be with you. How uncomfortable would that be? It’d be an extremely awkward situation for anyone.
To me, it’s far more likely that Zina went to Brigham and asked him to intervene because it was making her uncomfortable than it is that Brigham found out on his own and flew into a rage and forbade Henry from contacting Zina despite her protestations.
Aside from a very few notable exceptions, most of Brigham’s wives and children spoke of him in glowing terms. Zina herself mentioned his kindness repeatedly.
Henry, meanwhile, was married three more times and all four of his marriages ended in divorce. I don’t know what led to the end of the other three marriages, but I do know that he’s the common denominator in all of those marriages.
It seems clear that Zina left him in what is sometimes called a “folk divorce,” which was a thing in the 19th Century where the man and woman decided to dissolve their marriage and go their separate ways, leaving each of them free to marry again. She chose to marry Brigham for time, and Henry struggled to move on afterward...for a time. Brigham asked him to back off, and he did.

• Vilate Kimball

Shortly after Heber’s return from England, he was introduced to the doctrine of plural marriage directly through a startling test. He had already sacrificed homes, possessions, friends, relatives, all worldly rewards, peace, and tranquility for the Restoration. Nothing was left to place on the altar save his life, his children, and his wife. Then came the Abrahamic test. Joseph demanded for himself what to Heber was the unthinkable, his Vilate. Totally crushed spiritually and emotionally, Heber touched neither food nor water for three days and three nights and continually sought confirmation and comfort from God. On the evening of the third day, some kind of assurance came, and Heber took Vilate to the upper room of Joseph’s store on Water Street. The Prophet wept at this act of faith, devotion, and obedience. Joseph never intended to take Vilate. It was all a test.” (Heber C. Kimball, Mormon Patriarch and Pioneer by Stanley B. Kimball, p.93)

Yep, because blessings come after the trial of our faith. Heber and Vilate were sealed for time and eternity that same night as a reward for their faithfulness. Theirs was one of the very first sealings of this dispensation.

Teenagers: Ten of Joseph’s wives were teenagers.

Here, Faulk posts another little chart, which I have also linked.

• Helen Mar Kimball-Smith

Instead of taking Heber C. Kimball’s wife, Vilate, as Joseph had done with others, he married Heber’s 14 year-old daughter, Helen, in May of 1843.

This is presented somewhat disingenuously. Joseph and Helen were sealed two years after Heber and Vilate were sealed. The two incidents are not connected at all. And, as mentioned earlier, Joseph and Helen were sealed at Heber’s urging. He wanted to link his family to Joseph’s in the eternities.

“The youngest was Helen Mar Kimball, daughter of Joseph’s close friends Heber C. and Vilate Murray Kimball, who was sealed to Joseph several months before her 15th birthday.” (Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo, LDS.org, Oct. 2014)
In a letter written by Helen Kimball, her father had asked her if she would be willing to be sealed to Joseph Smith, Joseph himself came to her and said,
“If you will take this step, it will ensure your eternal salvation and exaltation & that of your father’s household & all of your kindred.” She talks of her mother’s hidden grief “to see her child, who had scarcely seen her fifteenth summer, following in the same thorny path [of polygamy].” “I would never have been sealed to Joseph had I known it was anything more than ceremony. I was young, and they deceived me, by saying the salvation of our whole family depended on it.” (Helen Mar Kimball, Mormon Polygamy: A History, by LDS Historian Richard S. Van Wagoner, p.53)

Ooh, this is super dishonest framing! The first two lines in quotation marks are indeed taken from an autobiographical letter written by Helen to her children in 1881. The first is from page 482 of a book titled A Woman’s View: Helen Mar Whitney’s Reminiscences of Early Church History, and the second from page 486.
But that third quotation, about how she’d never have been sealed to Joseph if she knew it was anything more than a ceremony? That’s taken from page 19 of an early anti-Mormon pamphlet called Narrative of Some of the Proceedings of the Mormons: Giving an Account of Their Iniquities by Catherine Lewis, published in 1848. She claimed to have heard Helen say this to her mother at some point, though everything in the book is suspect. It’s all pretty badly distorted from reality, which you can see for yourself just by reading it.
Helen herself certainly never backed up its claim. She did admit to being upset as a 15-year-old at being prevented from going out to dances with her friends because of the sealing, so it’s possible she said something like that at one point in her frustration and disappointment. But the circumstances surrounding it are certainly skewed, since Catherine reports it in the context of Helen refusing, after Joseph’s death, to be sealed for time as her father’s plural wife. That surely never happened. And in fact, after a few more years, Helen became a very vocal defender of plural marriage and of Joseph Smith for the rest of her life.
So, I’d take that statement with a very big grain of salt. That Faulk presents it here as if it was a direct quote from Helen’s own letter to her children is repulsive.

Joseph told a reluctant Helen Mar Kimball that if she married him it would ensure her salvation and the salvation of all her family. Imagine the burden on a 14 year old girl’s emotions of the salvation for her entire family riding on accepting Joseph’s proposal.

Except that Helen herself admitted that she didn’t understand what he was trying to teach her, and neither of her parents, who were there at the time of the proposal, understood it that way at all.

• Nancy Winchester Smith

While records show Nancy was married to Joseph, no dates were written. At the time of Joseph’s death, Nancy was 15 years old. It is possible that, like Helen Mar Kimball, Nancy could have been 14.

It’s not confirmed that Nancy Winchester was a plural wife of Joseph Smith, though evidence leans that way. We also have no idea when that sealing would have taken place, because no records of the sealing exist. We don’t know much about her at all. Her brother Benjamin was a known and rather hostile critic of Joseph’s who never mentioned the fact that they were sealed, so either he didn’t know about it, he didn’t see anything wrong with it (which is highly doubtful), or it never happened and her inclusion on the list was a mistake.
Eliza R. Snow listed her as one of his wives, and so did Orson Whitney, the son of Helen Mar Kimball Whitney. Helen was one of Nancy’s good friends so there’s solid evidence to believe it, but it’s not confirmed.

Unlike what is commonly taught in Sunday school lessons, marriages to young teenagers were not “common in pioneer days.”

Not true, and Faulk’s evidence for this claim doesn’t even say that:

“In 1890, when the U.S. Census Bureau started collecting marriage data, it was recorded that the average age of a first marriage for men was 26 years, and the average age of marriage for women was 22 years.” (http://classroom.synonym.com/agemarriage-us-1800s-23174.html)

Note that this quote says the average age was 22 years old. That means that some women were much older and some were much younger. 1890 is also half a century later than 1840, and society can change a lot in 50 years.
Craig Foster wrote a great article for the Interpreter a few years ago) which demonstrated that in frontier America in the 1800s, females often married quite young, and their husbands were usually older and more settled. It was much less common in the settled cities along the East Coast, but on the frontier (which included Ohio, Missouri, Illinois, and especially Utah), it was relatively common. Men in their 20s-40s marrying teenagers was not unusual.
Even today, it’s legal for teenagers to get married. Let’s not forget that most of Joseph’s teenaged wives were 17-19 years old. Many of us in this church know women who got married at 18 or 19. While they are technically still teenagers, calling them teen brides is implies that they were underage.
The entire concept of “underage” did not exist in the 1800s. In fact, the concept of “teenagers” didn’t even exist back then. You were either a child or an adult, and there was no in-between.
Applying our societal standards to a past society and judging them for their lack of adherence to our norms is a logical fallacy known as “presentism.” I get it—today, it’s unusual and it makes us squirm to hear of girls aged 14-16 getting married. But it was also not out of place in that day and age. And, most importantly, there is no evidence of any sexual activity between Joseph and his youngest wives.

3. Mothers and Daughters: Joseph married a mother and daughter pair.

• Patty Bartlett Sessions (Mother – already married to David Sessions)

She was sealed to Joseph for eternity while her husband was a faithful member of the Church, and though she and her husband both later received their endowment, they weren’t sealed at that time. She also didn’t re-seal herself to Joseph in the temple after his death the way that many of his other plural wives did. The reasons why are unclear. After her husband’s death, she was sealed for time to another man. Around 1867, after submitting an affidavit concerning her plural marriage to Joseph, she was offered the chance to be re-sealed to Joseph again, though I’m not sure if she accepted or not.
We don’t know the reasons for this sealing, just like we don’t know the reasons behind many of Joseph’s sealings to civilly married women.

• Sylvia Sessions Lyon (Daughter – already married to Windsor Lyon).

Windsor Lyon was excommunicated from the Church in November of 1842. Joseph and Windsor remained good friends for the rest of Joseph’s life. There are conflicting dates from two unsigned affidavits saying that Sylvia’s sealing to Joseph either took place in early 1842 or early 1843. Brian Hales favors the later date.
If he’s right, this appears to be one of those sealings where Joseph was sealed to a woman whose husband wasn’t (at the time) a faithful member of the Church so that she could still obtain exaltation.

Sylvia bore children with both husbands; three children with Windsor and one with Joseph. (Josephine - February 8, 1844)

No, no, no. She most certainly did not have a child with Joseph. For a long time, it was considered an unproven possibility, but was never definitive. However, even the possibility was ruled out by DNA testing in 2016, seven years ago.
The fact that this is still in the LFMW after all this time caught me by surprise. We know the LFMW has been updated since its first posting, since the original FAIR rebuttal addresses differently worded accusations. There was plenty of time to correct the inaccuracy. In fact, this particular objection appears to have been added to the original text, rather than removed.

4. Pairs of Sisters: Joseph married 3 pairs of sisters.

• Emily Dow Partridge and Eliza Maria Partridge.
  
• Sara Lawrence and Maria Lawrence.
  
• Zina Huntington Jacobs and Presidia Huntington Buell.
  

Yep, he sure did. Zina and Presendia (her name is not Presidia) were both sealed to Joseph for eternity only, with no marriage in this lifetime. But Emily and Eliza Partridge and Sarah and Maria Lawrence were all sealed to Joseph for time and eternity.
Again, though, I’m not sure why this is supposed to be a point of scandal. None of them were married against their will. They all had the choice, and they all agreed to these arrangements. Is it unusual? Sure. It’s weird, I think we can all agree with that. But is it sinful? Nope. When God commands polygamy, it’s not sinful, and levirate marriages have been around for thousands of years. This is somewhat similar to that practice, particularly in the case of Mary and Mercy Fielding and Hyrum Smith. Or, one could argue, between Zina Huntington and Brigham Young.
Remember, when plural marriage was first introduced, they weren’t really given a rule book. There are some directions and guidelines given in D&C 132, but they only cover certain situations. In the Nauvoo days, they were basically winging it. They had to adjust to the new commandment that completely upended their entire lives and then figure out the best way to live it. There was trial and error, heartache, sacrifice, and suffering involved. It was not easy for any of them, and they did the best they could. If they made mistakes, they need our grace, not our judgment.

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I have no particular reason to share this except to say I'm excited. My wife and I visited Butte on a whim about a year ago from our place in Idaho, pretty much because we didn't want to go down to Utah. We've been back a few times since then and we're moving in this Friday. I'm not concerned about the weather, as it is pretty much the exact same here in Madison County, Idaho (although slightly higher elevation I think) but something about Butte just felt like home. If I had to ask a question though, anyone know any Historic places in town that take volunteers, or perhaps even the archives do?
Anyway, I'm out of town a good amount for my job but perhaps I'll see some of you around. Cheers! (Oh, sorry Sláinte for you Irish folk)

Mets @ Braves - Tue, Jun 06

Game Status: Game Over - Score: 6-4 Braves

Links & Info

• MLB Gameday
• Game Graphs
• Savant Gamefeed

	Mets Batters	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	LOB	AVG	OBP	SLG
1	Nimmo - CF	3	0	0	0	1	2	1	.288	.374	.419
2	Lindor - SS	3	1	1	2	1	0	1	.214	.287	.416
3	McNeil - LF	3	1	0	0	1	0	2	.278	.355	.347
4	Alonso - 1B	4	1	1	2	0	1	1	.231	.323	.546
5	Vogelbach - DH	4	0	0	0	0	3	0	.209	.345	.304
6	Marte, S - RF	4	0	0	0	0	2	0	.245	.308	.327
7	Baty - 3B	3	0	1	0	0	1	1	.229	.301	.366
8	Escobar, Edu - 2B	3	0	0	0	0	0	1	.227	.269	.402
9	Narváez - C	2	1	1	0	0	0	0	.313	.368	.313
	a-Pham - PH	1	0	0	0	0	1	0	.232	.324	.453
	Alvarez - C	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.237	.291	.492
	Totals	30	4	4	4	3	10	7

Mets
a-Struck out for Narváez in the 8th.
BATTING: HR: Lindor (11, 3rd inning off Elder, 1 on, 2 out); Alonso (22, 3rd inning off Elder, 1 on, 2 out). TB: Alonso 4; Baty; Lindor 4; Narváez. RBI: Alonso 2 (49); Lindor 2 (42). 2-out RBI: Alonso 2; Lindor 2. Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: McNeil. GIDP: Baty; Escobar, Edu. Team RISP: 0-for-1. Team LOB: 2.
FIELDING: E: McNeil (1, fielding). DP: 2 (Baty-Escobar, Edu-Alonso; Lindor-Escobar, Edu-Alonso).

	Braves Batters	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	LOB	AVG	OBP	SLG
1	Acuña Jr. - RF	4	0	1	0	0	1	1	.329	.404	.558
2	Olson - 1B	3	1	1	0	1	1	1	.233	.363	.516
3	Riley, A - 3B	3	1	2	0	0	0	0	.267	.336	.457
4	Murphy, S - C	4	1	1	2	0	0	4	.288	.391	.542
5	Rosario, E - LF	4	1	1	0	0	2	1	.256	.282	.472
6	Albies - 2B	3	1	1	1	1	0	1	.258	.306	.485
7	Ozuna - DH	4	1	1	2	0	0	1	.228	.311	.468
8	Arcia, Or - SS	3	0	2	1	1	0	0	.311	.372	.452
9	Harris II, M - CF	4	0	0	0	0	2	4	.163	.246	.244
	Totals	32	6	10	6	3	6	13

Braves
BATTING: 2B: Riley, A (14, Carrasco); Murphy, S (12, Carrasco); Ozuna (5, Smith, Dr); Rosario, E (11, Ottavino). HR: Albies (13, 2nd inning off Carrasco, 0 on, 1 out). TB: Acuña Jr.; Albies 4; Arcia, Or 2; Murphy, S 2; Olson; Ozuna 2; Riley, A 3; Rosario, E 2. RBI: Albies (39); Arcia, Or (14); Murphy, S 2 (40); Ozuna 2 (25). 2-out RBI: Ozuna; Arcia, Or. Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Harris II, M; Murphy, S. GIDP: Acuña Jr.; Murphy, S. Team RISP: 4-for-10. Team LOB: 6.
FIELDING: E: Riley, A (7, fielding). DP: 2 (Olson-Arcia, Or-Elder; Albies-Arcia, Or-Olson).

Mets Pitchers	IP	H	R	ER	BB	K	HR	P-S	ERA
Carrasco	5.0	6	4	4	2	4	1	86-52	5.94
Smith, Dr (L, 3-2)(BS, 1)	1.0	2	1	1	0	1	0	25-17	3.74
Brigham	1.0	0	0	0	0	1	0	14-11	3.63
Ottavino	1.0	2	1	1	1	0	0	22-15	4.13
Totals	8.0	10	6	6	3	6	1

Braves Pitchers	IP	H	R	ER	BB	K	HR	P-S	ERA
Elder (W, 4-0)	6.0	4	4	4	2	8	2	101-63	2.26
Chavez (H, 12)	1.0	0	0	0	0	0	0	16-10	1.73
Minter (H, 2)	1.0	0	0	0	1	1	0	18-10	6.26
Iglesias, R (S, 8)	1.0	0	0	0	0	1	0	17-12	2.84
Totals	9.0	4	4	4	3	10	2

Game Info
WP: Smith, Dr; Minter.
IBB: Albies (by Ottavino).
HBP: Riley, A (by Carrasco).
Pitch timer violations: Narváez (catcher); Nimmo (batter timer).
Pitches-strikes: Carrasco 86-52; Smith, Dr 25-17; Brigham 14-11; Ottavino 22-15; Elder 101-63; Chavez 16-10; Minter 18-10; Iglesias, R 17-12.
Groundouts-flyouts: Carrasco 7-1; Smith, Dr 1-0; Brigham 0-1; Ottavino 1-0; Elder 2-6; Chavez 3-0; Minter 0-1; Iglesias, R 2-0.
Batters faced: Carrasco 22; Smith, Dr 5; Brigham 3; Ottavino 6; Elder 23; Chavez 3; Minter 4; Iglesias, R 3.
Inherited runners-scored: Smith, Dr 1-1.
Ejections: Mets bench coach Eric Chavez ejected by HP umpire D. J. Reyburn (3rd).
Umpires: HP: D.J. Reyburn. 1B: John Libka. 2B: Clint Vondrak. 3B: James Hoye.
Weather: 74 degrees, Cloudy.
Wind: 8 mph, R To L.
First pitch: 9:00 PM.
T: 2:38 (1:40 delay).
Att: 37,365.
Venue: Truist Park.
June 6, 2023

Inning	Scoring Play	Score
Bottom 2	Ozzie Albies homers (13) on a fly ball to center field.	1-0 ATL
Top 3	Francisco Lindor homers (11) on a fly ball to right field. Omar Narvaez scores.	2-1 NYM
Top 3	Pete Alonso homers (22) on a fly ball to left center field. Jeff McNeil scores.	4-1 NYM
Bottom 6	Sean Murphy doubles (12) on a sharp line drive to left fielder Jeff McNeil. Matt Olson scores. Austin Riley scores.	4-3 NYM
Bottom 6	Marcell Ozuna doubles (5) on a sharp line drive to left fielder Jeff McNeil. Sean Murphy scores.	4-4
Bottom 6	Orlando Arcia singles on a ground ball to shortstop Francisco Lindor, deflected by second baseman Eduardo Escobar. Marcell Ozuna scores.	5-4 ATL
Bottom 8	Braves challenged (force play), call on the field was overturned: Marcell Ozuna grounds out, shortstop Francisco Lindor to second baseman Eduardo Escobar to first baseman Pete Alonso. Eddie Rosario scores. Ozzie Albies to 2nd.	6-4 ATL

Team	Highlight
ATL	Bullpen availability for Atlanta, June 6 vs Mets (00:00:07)
NYM	Bullpen availability for New York, June 6 vs Braves (00:00:07)
ATL	Fielding alignment for Atlanta, June 6 vs Mets (00:00:11)
ATL	Starting lineups for Mets at Braves - June 6, 2023 (00:00:09)
ATL	Bryce Elder's outing against the Mets (00:00:23)
ATL	Ozzie Albies' solo home run (13) (00:00:29)
NYM	Lindor's two-run homer (11) (00:00:27)
NYM	Pete Alonso's two-run homer (22) (00:00:33)
ATL	Field view of Albies' home run (00:00:36)
NYM	Field view of Alonso's homer (00:00:30)
NYM	Field View of Lindor's home run (00:00:31)
ATL	Sean Murphy's two-run double (00:00:26)
ATL	Marcell Ozuna's RBI double (00:00:13)
ATL	Orlando Arcia's RBI single (00:00:11)
NYM	Carrasco strikes out four (00:00:29)
ATL	Elder strikes out eight in start (00:01:05)
NYM	Marcell Ozuna's RBI groundout (00:00:34)
ATL	Mets challenged (force play), call on the field was overturned: Marcell Ozuna grounds out, shortstop Francisco Lindor to second baseman Eduardo Escobar to first baseman Pete Alonso. Eddie Rosario scores. Ozzie Albies to 2nd. (00:00:12)

	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9		R	H	E	LOB
Mets	0	0	4	0	0	0	0	0	0		4	4	1	2
Braves	0	1	0	0	0	4	0	1			6	10	1	6

Decisions

• Winner: Bryce Elder (4-0, 2.26)
• Loser: Drew Smith (3-2, 3.74)
• Save: Raisel Iglesias (8, 2.84)

Division Scoreboard

DET 0 @ PHI 1 - Final
KC 1 @ MIA 6 - Final
AZ 10 @ WSH 5 - Final
Next Mets Game: Wed, Jun 07, 07:20 PM EDT @ Braves
^{Posted: 06/06/2023 11:41:15 PM EDT}

Mets @ Braves - Tue, Jun 06

Game Status: Game Over - Score: 6-4 Braves

Links & Info

• MLB Gameday
• Game Graphs
• Savant Gamefeed

	Mets Batters	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	LOB	AVG	OBP	SLG
1	Nimmo - CF	3	0	0	0	1	2	1	.288	.374	.419
2	Lindor - SS	3	1	1	2	1	0	1	.214	.287	.416
3	McNeil - LF	3	1	0	0	1	0	2	.278	.355	.347
4	Alonso - 1B	4	1	1	2	0	1	1	.231	.323	.546
5	Vogelbach - DH	4	0	0	0	0	3	0	.209	.345	.304
6	Marte, S - RF	4	0	0	0	0	2	0	.245	.308	.327
7	Baty - 3B	3	0	1	0	0	1	1	.229	.301	.366
8	Escobar, Edu - 2B	3	0	0	0	0	0	1	.227	.269	.402
9	Narváez - C	2	1	1	0	0	0	0	.313	.368	.313
	a-Pham - PH	1	0	0	0	0	1	0	.232	.324	.453
	Alvarez - C	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.237	.291	.492
	Totals	30	4	4	4	3	10	7

Mets
a-Struck out for Narváez in the 8th.
BATTING: HR: Lindor (11, 3rd inning off Elder, 1 on, 2 out); Alonso (22, 3rd inning off Elder, 1 on, 2 out). TB: Alonso 4; Baty; Lindor 4; Narváez. RBI: Alonso 2 (49); Lindor 2 (42). 2-out RBI: Alonso 2; Lindor 2. Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: McNeil. GIDP: Baty; Escobar, Edu. Team RISP: 0-for-1. Team LOB: 2.
FIELDING: E: McNeil (1, fielding). DP: 2 (Baty-Escobar, Edu-Alonso; Lindor-Escobar, Edu-Alonso).

	Braves Batters	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	LOB	AVG	OBP	SLG
1	Acuña Jr. - RF	4	0	1	0	0	1	1	.329	.404	.558
2	Olson - 1B	3	1	1	0	1	1	1	.233	.363	.516
3	Riley, A - 3B	3	1	2	0	0	0	0	.267	.336	.457
4	Murphy, S - C	4	1	1	2	0	0	4	.288	.391	.542
5	Rosario, E - LF	4	1	1	0	0	2	1	.256	.282	.472
6	Albies - 2B	3	1	1	1	1	0	1	.258	.306	.485
7	Ozuna - DH	4	1	1	2	0	0	1	.228	.311	.468
8	Arcia, Or - SS	3	0	2	1	1	0	0	.311	.372	.452
9	Harris II, M - CF	4	0	0	0	0	2	4	.163	.246	.244
	Totals	32	6	10	6	3	6	13

Braves
BATTING: 2B: Riley, A (14, Carrasco); Murphy, S (12, Carrasco); Ozuna (5, Smith, Dr); Rosario, E (11, Ottavino). HR: Albies (13, 2nd inning off Carrasco, 0 on, 1 out). TB: Acuña Jr.; Albies 4; Arcia, Or 2; Murphy, S 2; Olson; Ozuna 2; Riley, A 3; Rosario, E 2. RBI: Albies (39); Arcia, Or (14); Murphy, S 2 (40); Ozuna 2 (25). 2-out RBI: Ozuna; Arcia, Or. Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Harris II, M; Murphy, S. GIDP: Acuña Jr.; Murphy, S. Team RISP: 4-for-10. Team LOB: 6.
FIELDING: E: Riley, A (7, fielding). DP: 2 (Olson-Arcia, Or-Elder; Albies-Arcia, Or-Olson).

Mets Pitchers	IP	H	R	ER	BB	K	HR	P-S	ERA
Carrasco	5.0	6	4	4	2	4	1	86-52	5.94
Smith, Dr (L, 3-2)(BS, 1)	1.0	2	1	1	0	1	0	25-17	3.74
Brigham	1.0	0	0	0	0	1	0	14-11	3.63
Ottavino	1.0	2	1	1	1	0	0	22-15	4.13
Totals	8.0	10	6	6	3	6	1

Braves Pitchers	IP	H	R	ER	BB	K	HR	P-S	ERA
Elder (W, 4-0)	6.0	4	4	4	2	8	2	101-63	2.26
Chavez (H, 12)	1.0	0	0	0	0	0	0	16-10	1.73
Minter (H, 2)	1.0	0	0	0	1	1	0	18-10	6.26
Iglesias, R (S, 8)	1.0	0	0	0	0	1	0	17-12	2.84
Totals	9.0	4	4	4	3	10	2

Game Info
WP: Smith, Dr; Minter.
IBB: Albies (by Ottavino).
HBP: Riley, A (by Carrasco).
Pitch timer violations: Narváez (catcher); Nimmo (batter timer).
Pitches-strikes: Carrasco 86-52; Smith, Dr 25-17; Brigham 14-11; Ottavino 22-15; Elder 101-63; Chavez 16-10; Minter 18-10; Iglesias, R 17-12.
Groundouts-flyouts: Carrasco 7-1; Smith, Dr 1-0; Brigham 0-1; Ottavino 1-0; Elder 2-6; Chavez 3-0; Minter 0-1; Iglesias, R 2-0.
Batters faced: Carrasco 22; Smith, Dr 5; Brigham 3; Ottavino 6; Elder 23; Chavez 3; Minter 4; Iglesias, R 3.
Inherited runners-scored: Smith, Dr 1-1.
Ejections: Mets bench coach Eric Chavez ejected by HP umpire D. J. Reyburn (3rd).
Umpires: HP: D.J. Reyburn. 1B: John Libka. 2B: Clint Vondrak. 3B: James Hoye.
Weather: 74 degrees, Cloudy.
Wind: 8 mph, R To L.
First pitch: 9:00 PM.
T: 2:38 (1:40 delay).
Att: 37,365.
Venue: Truist Park.
June 6, 2023

Inning	Scoring Play	Score
Bottom 2	Ozzie Albies homers (13) on a fly ball to center field.	1-0 ATL
Top 3	Francisco Lindor homers (11) on a fly ball to right field. Omar Narvaez scores.	2-1 NYM
Top 3	Pete Alonso homers (22) on a fly ball to left center field. Jeff McNeil scores.	4-1 NYM
Bottom 6	Sean Murphy doubles (12) on a sharp line drive to left fielder Jeff McNeil. Matt Olson scores. Austin Riley scores.	4-3 NYM
Bottom 6	Marcell Ozuna doubles (5) on a sharp line drive to left fielder Jeff McNeil. Sean Murphy scores.	4-4
Bottom 6	Orlando Arcia singles on a ground ball to shortstop Francisco Lindor, deflected by second baseman Eduardo Escobar. Marcell Ozuna scores.	5-4 ATL
Bottom 8	Braves challenged (force play), call on the field was overturned: Marcell Ozuna grounds out, shortstop Francisco Lindor to second baseman Eduardo Escobar to first baseman Pete Alonso. Eddie Rosario scores. Ozzie Albies to 2nd.	6-4 ATL

Team	Highlight
ATL	Bullpen availability for Atlanta, June 6 vs Mets (00:00:07)
NYM	Bullpen availability for New York, June 6 vs Braves (00:00:07)
ATL	Fielding alignment for Atlanta, June 6 vs Mets (00:00:11)
ATL	Starting lineups for Mets at Braves - June 6, 2023 (00:00:09)
ATL	Bryce Elder's outing against the Mets (00:00:23)
ATL	Ozzie Albies' solo home run (13) (00:00:29)
NYM	Lindor's two-run homer (11) (00:00:27)
NYM	Pete Alonso's two-run homer (22) (00:00:33)
ATL	Field view of Albies' home run (00:00:36)
NYM	Field view of Alonso's homer (00:00:30)
NYM	Field View of Lindor's home run (00:00:31)
ATL	Sean Murphy's two-run double (00:00:26)
ATL	Marcell Ozuna's RBI double (00:00:13)
ATL	Orlando Arcia's RBI single (00:00:11)
NYM	Carrasco strikes out four (00:00:29)
ATL	Elder strikes out eight in start (00:01:05)
NYM	Marcell Ozuna's RBI groundout (00:00:34)
ATL	Mets challenged (force play), call on the field was overturned: Marcell Ozuna grounds out, shortstop Francisco Lindor to second baseman Eduardo Escobar to first baseman Pete Alonso. Eddie Rosario scores. Ozzie Albies to 2nd. (00:00:12)

	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9		R	H	E	LOB
Mets	0	0	4	0	0	0	0	0	0		4	4	1	2
Braves	0	1	0	0	0	4	0	1			6	10	1	6

Decisions

• Winner: Bryce Elder (4-0, 2.26)
• Loser: Drew Smith (3-2, 3.74)
• Save: Raisel Iglesias (8, 2.84)

Division Scoreboard

DET 0 @ PHI 1 - Final
KC 1 @ MIA 6 - Final
AZ 10 @ WSH 5 - Final
Next Braves Game: Wed, Jun 07, 07:20 PM EDT vs. Mets
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I'm getting ready to install my first beam, and wondered if there's any pros or cons for aligning the rotator stop? Out of the box it is set up to stop on north, but it's there a better place to position it? I'm in the Midwest (US) for what it's worth.
Also, kind of related but is there an optimal orientation that the antenna should be parked in while weathering storms? We have predominantly North/South winds here and wonder if it's better to point the boom into the wind, or turn it sideways to minimize the wind load on the elements.

I will be in the Salt Lake are the first week of July. I will only have one day to ride … which park would you suggest? Looking for flow and jump trails …. Not opposed to steep tech just wanting a good mix.

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